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I think you’re framing the argument from the left in a purposefully incomplete way. Some on the left (like me) hold the position that the Iranian regime are monsters, and it certainly did reigster when it massacred 30,000 of its own citizens. There were hundreds of thousands of people in Canada who protested the regime when that happened. The media didn’t cover it.

None of us think of Iran’s leadership as victims. What we do think is the means by which Israel and the U.S. eliminated Iran’s leader and many of its senior people is chaotic at best, and won’t lead to the kind of revolutionary change that the Iranian people deserve. It is, in fact, counterproductive and will likely lead to the opposite result - the existing apparatus of power in Iran is going to entrench further and become more extreme. The long-term, generational impact is going to lead to more terrorism specifically targeted against the democratic/western values we’re supposed to want to promote in the region.

You both seem to agree that even if all this war does is keep Iran’s power in check for a little while, that’s good enough - the “mowing the lawn” sort of strategy that Israel’s leadership seems to believe in. That hasn’t worked to eliminate the existential threat against Israel either.

The truth is the only way Iran changes is if the people rise up to change it - a people-led revolution. History has taught us this. They tried to do that earlier this year, and were massacred for it. The west’s job, and those allied with democratic values, if anything, was to come together as one voice, and use other tools at our disposal to punish Iran for this despicable humanitarian crime. If we wanted to interfere with the revolutionary process, we should have found more strategic, long-lasting ways to support the Iranians who are opposing the regime so they can organize, gather momentum and power, and take over their country for themselves. Instead, they choose the dumbest, most maximalist option that directly erodes every western value, and fails to learn from its own recent history of attempting to use force to remove anti-democratic threats in the region.

This is not going to end well for anyone, least of all the Iranian people, who are going to be digging themselves out of the rubble left of their country for a generation or more.

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